satishku_2000
08-18 12:47 AM
I would advise you to look at RFE very carefully, Sometimes they issue RFE that may read to include more than one kind of proof so you may be able to submit alternative proofs such as affidavits, wedding pictures, wedding invitaion etc. I am just throwing an idea here.
I got a chance to take a look at 140 RFE that was issued recently. The language used was pretty broad for certain kind of proof they were requesting. You may have a chance to submit alternatives.
I got a chance to take a look at 140 RFE that was issued recently. The language used was pretty broad for certain kind of proof they were requesting. You may have a chance to submit alternatives.
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gc_dedo
01-06 05:35 PM
irs has already posted how you can get rebate if you were not eligible last year but you are eligible now (after getting dependents ssn)
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=186065,00.html?portlet=7
AFAIK, those who become ligible to receive stimulus in 2008 can claim stimulus of previous year. IRS will post information - how to claim it.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=186065,00.html?portlet=7
AFAIK, those who become ligible to receive stimulus in 2008 can claim stimulus of previous year. IRS will post information - how to claim it.
srmodi
10-04 09:50 AM
Any July 2nd filer got AP approval yet from NSC?
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rjgleason
June 10th, 2004, 09:22 PM
It's not the "IMHO" or anything... we certainly all are entitled to opinions - "Canon is better than Nikon" "Nikon is better than Canon" "Contax/Carl Zeiss is better than either" "What are you thinking, Minolta has fine glass too" etc. But it is just the "far superior" thing that got me going, because it simply isn't true, while the other statements certainly do have parts of truth to them. I guess some people do treat camera manufactureres with the same kind of "fanboy-ishness" that geeks do to Intel or AMD. ;)
If you are referring to me, as being one of "some people" treating camera manufacturers etc etc as geeks do with Intel or AMD, I reiterate that this was only my opinion as I have had BOTH mfgrs equipment and IN MY HUMBLE OPINION ........and only mine, and for my reasons, Canon is far superior. (as I indicated about the lenses.......Far more...........meaning more in quantity...........and....Superior.........seems this has been proven, at least from my readings. I did not say far superior lenses.
I'm not going to get into some sort of contest and I am not looking for an argument, nor will I return with derogatory retorts.
Hell, I ought to just delete the thread............I don't enjoy misinterpreations or surmising and that's what seems to be here.
If you are referring to me, as being one of "some people" treating camera manufacturers etc etc as geeks do with Intel or AMD, I reiterate that this was only my opinion as I have had BOTH mfgrs equipment and IN MY HUMBLE OPINION ........and only mine, and for my reasons, Canon is far superior. (as I indicated about the lenses.......Far more...........meaning more in quantity...........and....Superior.........seems this has been proven, at least from my readings. I did not say far superior lenses.
I'm not going to get into some sort of contest and I am not looking for an argument, nor will I return with derogatory retorts.
Hell, I ought to just delete the thread............I don't enjoy misinterpreations or surmising and that's what seems to be here.
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ivar
03-11 11:20 PM
Dear Friends,
I have an approved I-140 with PD of Mar 06, but i left this company to join a new company. I have tried many times to file PERM through this new company but still unsuccessful. I am waiting to withdraw my PERM appeal to file a new PERM since January 09 (so folks don't ask me to update my profile because i am yet to file PERM, I have updated my profile three times since 2006 and also cleared it).
Question: When i spoke to my company's lawyer regarding my earlier I-140 they say that first i need to get my PERM approval (I agree) and than i need to get my I-140 approval (Which i am not sure) inorder to port priority date, is it true? Can't we port Priority date along with I-140 application itself?
Thanks,
R.
I have an approved I-140 with PD of Mar 06, but i left this company to join a new company. I have tried many times to file PERM through this new company but still unsuccessful. I am waiting to withdraw my PERM appeal to file a new PERM since January 09 (so folks don't ask me to update my profile because i am yet to file PERM, I have updated my profile three times since 2006 and also cleared it).
Question: When i spoke to my company's lawyer regarding my earlier I-140 they say that first i need to get my PERM approval (I agree) and than i need to get my I-140 approval (Which i am not sure) inorder to port priority date, is it true? Can't we port Priority date along with I-140 application itself?
Thanks,
R.
qualified_trash
10-09 09:21 AM
We are talking two different things here. You are saying about AC-21. The OP is asking about retaining PD. The way you can retain your PD after I-140 approval is :-
You file a new labor with the new employer - once it is approved - you need to file a new I-140 application and attach the old approved application with it - this would ensure that your PD will become the PD from the old case.
Difference with AC21 is - in the case of AC21, you just switch jobs and your current GC process continues - you do not have to file a new labor,140 etc.
thanks dilbert_cal!!
You file a new labor with the new employer - once it is approved - you need to file a new I-140 application and attach the old approved application with it - this would ensure that your PD will become the PD from the old case.
Difference with AC21 is - in the case of AC21, you just switch jobs and your current GC process continues - you do not have to file a new labor,140 etc.
thanks dilbert_cal!!
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Dj-Studios
05-21 05:59 PM
Ok I am (for some odd reason) done with my next volley. I think I have ADD because I always get really frustrated after about an hour or so. But surprisingly I spent some time on this one.:D Oh and just to let everyone know those wings are hand drawn.:D I love my Wacom pad. Hehe.
Hope I didn't make to hard on you for your next volley!
http://www.dj-studios.com/battles/second.jpg
Here is the .PSD (http://www.dj-studios.com/battles/second.psd)
And yes I did use some of his stuff. Although it may not look like it though. Go ahead download the .psd and find out for yourself.
Hope I didn't make to hard on you for your next volley!
http://www.dj-studios.com/battles/second.jpg
Here is the .PSD (http://www.dj-studios.com/battles/second.psd)
And yes I did use some of his stuff. Although it may not look like it though. Go ahead download the .psd and find out for yourself.
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eb3India
04-21 11:41 AM
OK, for those who thought my name suggestion was serious , well I was just kidding, cuz this topic itself was a joke so I just played along with it,
I am not really effected by GC delay, cuz I was able to file I-485 in 2004 and I changed my job twice using AC-21 (refer to AC-21 thread I explained my situation), Also my wife is working with EAD, so I have no reason to go insane, but remember I still contribute to IV and itz cause, while I know many guys stuck in labor for last 5-6 years are still skepctical about IV.
Now back to H1B subject, I am glad IV is not promoting H1B increase, just because I came in H1B it does not mean H1B any better,
Why do I care about H1B.
Because I have been here for almost 10 years and I have seen how this program is abused, c'mon gusy we are educated and qualifed and we should not be so desparate to come to US by any means, when I say abolish H1B it does not mean I am against immigration, I just want reform the system where people have more option when they came here, How many of you guys are still hanging onto same company with same salary, think rationally and think beyound GC
I am not really effected by GC delay, cuz I was able to file I-485 in 2004 and I changed my job twice using AC-21 (refer to AC-21 thread I explained my situation), Also my wife is working with EAD, so I have no reason to go insane, but remember I still contribute to IV and itz cause, while I know many guys stuck in labor for last 5-6 years are still skepctical about IV.
Now back to H1B subject, I am glad IV is not promoting H1B increase, just because I came in H1B it does not mean H1B any better,
Why do I care about H1B.
Because I have been here for almost 10 years and I have seen how this program is abused, c'mon gusy we are educated and qualifed and we should not be so desparate to come to US by any means, when I say abolish H1B it does not mean I am against immigration, I just want reform the system where people have more option when they came here, How many of you guys are still hanging onto same company with same salary, think rationally and think beyound GC
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boogie2007
04-18 04:00 PM
my I485
PD = nov, 2003 , EB2
RD = 2nd July, 2007
ND = 6th Oct, 2007
FP = 1st Nov, 2007
Name check : still pending
spouse Name check got cleared.
latest lud updated : 04/18/2008 ?
PD = nov, 2003 , EB2
RD = 2nd July, 2007
ND = 6th Oct, 2007
FP = 1st Nov, 2007
Name check : still pending
spouse Name check got cleared.
latest lud updated : 04/18/2008 ?
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indyanguy
06-13 05:18 PM
As understand the process
1) First one should change the employer with new job.
2) Apply for new Labor (with EB2 requirements) -- PERM 3 months.
3) Apply for new I-140 (use old I-485) -- PREMIUM 1 month.
4) No need to apply for NEW I-485.
Guys, this is the best option for EB3, use it.. with in 4 months you are current... let us port to EB2...no need to wait this VISA bulletin saga.
If my EB3 140 is pending and if when I apply for EB2 140, I dont have the approval, can the interfile be done at the later date?
I am seriously considering porting my date. Any idea how much approx it would cost for the PERM + 140 process (lawyer and USCIS fee)?
1) First one should change the employer with new job.
2) Apply for new Labor (with EB2 requirements) -- PERM 3 months.
3) Apply for new I-140 (use old I-485) -- PREMIUM 1 month.
4) No need to apply for NEW I-485.
Guys, this is the best option for EB3, use it.. with in 4 months you are current... let us port to EB2...no need to wait this VISA bulletin saga.
If my EB3 140 is pending and if when I apply for EB2 140, I dont have the approval, can the interfile be done at the later date?
I am seriously considering porting my date. Any idea how much approx it would cost for the PERM + 140 process (lawyer and USCIS fee)?
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rk07
09-20 10:16 PM
Hi,
Are there any one who filed at NSC on July 23rd and not received the receipt so far?
Thanks,
-rk.
Are there any one who filed at NSC on July 23rd and not received the receipt so far?
Thanks,
-rk.
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glus
01-24 07:48 PM
contributions have to be voluntary.. finger pointing would be of no good & on the contrary will be counter-productive..
I do not this it is a bad idea to post it, it is just that can someonce show me the benefit of showing that , for example, member A contributed $200 and member B $100?
I am open to discusion about it......
I do not this it is a bad idea to post it, it is just that can someonce show me the benefit of showing that , for example, member A contributed $200 and member B $100?
I am open to discusion about it......
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rajenk
03-24 07:04 PM
I also did switch job back in July 08. Immediately after the switch the new company had sent all documents necessary for AC21 with the help of their lawyer. USCIS have reviewed my application in October and in February for pre-adjudication. How I am sure about that is because in Feb my wife got an RFE for Medical and mine was fine. Unless the primary is fine they will not touch dependent.
So here is what you should do.
1. Contact your current company lawyers.
2. Educate them what AC21 is, I guess there was an updated AC21 Memo in May 08. My lawyer included the whole memo highlighting the clause under which I am eligible to switch job (Same or similar , I was a Senior Software Engineer, now I am Software Engineer IV, each company has its own classification).
3. Submit EVL (Employment Verification Letter) from your current employer.
4. Submit a letter explaining your eligibility for AC21.
*****Very important******
5. Submit a G28 (Change of representation) for you and all your dependents. Along with that submit the AC21 documents only then the AC21 documents will reach your file. The same is recommended by attorney Murthy.
*****Very important******
<EDIT>
Forgot your RFE in the first submission. You can include all of these as a RFE response.
</EDIT>
You should be all fine then. In my experience and what people had seen it is best to report it.
Good luck.:)
So here is what you should do.
1. Contact your current company lawyers.
2. Educate them what AC21 is, I guess there was an updated AC21 Memo in May 08. My lawyer included the whole memo highlighting the clause under which I am eligible to switch job (Same or similar , I was a Senior Software Engineer, now I am Software Engineer IV, each company has its own classification).
3. Submit EVL (Employment Verification Letter) from your current employer.
4. Submit a letter explaining your eligibility for AC21.
*****Very important******
5. Submit a G28 (Change of representation) for you and all your dependents. Along with that submit the AC21 documents only then the AC21 documents will reach your file. The same is recommended by attorney Murthy.
*****Very important******
<EDIT>
Forgot your RFE in the first submission. You can include all of these as a RFE response.
</EDIT>
You should be all fine then. In my experience and what people had seen it is best to report it.
Good luck.:)
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Hermione
10-02 01:00 PM
Absolutely. Assuming your I-140 is approved/approvable and will not be withdrawn, you will be able to AC21 to your new position after 180 days of I-485 pending. And the best thing, it will only depend on similarity of the job, and no ability to pay questions. Good luck!
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WAIT_FOR_EVER_GC
07-12 11:14 AM
Sabke hope bade bade!!!!!!!!!!!
USCIS Knows the numbers now or they would not predict April 2006 if they did not know. I believe that If you read the predictions of QSK then you will know exactly what might happen. It will go up to Sep 2006 and might stay there or move back to April.
I do not want to bring your hope down but Do not hope anything above Sep 2006.
USCIS Knows the numbers now or they would not predict April 2006 if they did not know. I believe that If you read the predictions of QSK then you will know exactly what might happen. It will go up to Sep 2006 and might stay there or move back to April.
I do not want to bring your hope down but Do not hope anything above Sep 2006.
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LIDIYA
09-13 08:29 PM
Date you filed - July 2nd
Receipt Date - AUG 27 (or very close to it. Sorry, I don't remember actual date)
Service center - TSC
If EAD received - SEP 1st (both EAD's)
FP - SEP 8th (both)
SSN - applied on SEP 6, received on SEP 13th (today)
Good luck!
Receipt Date - AUG 27 (or very close to it. Sorry, I don't remember actual date)
Service center - TSC
If EAD received - SEP 1st (both EAD's)
FP - SEP 8th (both)
SSN - applied on SEP 6, received on SEP 13th (today)
Good luck!
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rb_248
09-10 06:37 PM
Its not a problem dude...
You can either carry it with you or make a color photocopy (like how we used to do with our indian license) or just shove it up ur A$S....
Dude are you trying to rub salt????
BR
Karthik - That was a genuine question. I lose a lot of stuff. So, I had to ask. May be my timing was not good with VB releasing today and all. I am not trying to rub salt. Anyways, good luck.
Dude, if i had a GC i would hang it on my neck like flavor flav 24/7.... :)
anyways, congrats on your GC
Ha ha ha ..... that's funny and thanks.
You can either carry it with you or make a color photocopy (like how we used to do with our indian license) or just shove it up ur A$S....
Dude are you trying to rub salt????
BR
Karthik - That was a genuine question. I lose a lot of stuff. So, I had to ask. May be my timing was not good with VB releasing today and all. I am not trying to rub salt. Anyways, good luck.
Dude, if i had a GC i would hang it on my neck like flavor flav 24/7.... :)
anyways, congrats on your GC
Ha ha ha ..... that's funny and thanks.
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qplearn
10-09 08:36 AM
It is FBI that is responsible for namecheck ... not sure USCIS has any control over them. My understanding is I-485 premium processing would apply only to USCIS processing of the paperwork.
Then, of course, it won't help much because for most people name check is taking 2 years, and 485 processing via the regular route takes less time than that.
Then, of course, it won't help much because for most people name check is taking 2 years, and 485 processing via the regular route takes less time than that.
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h1b_slave
02-27 01:06 PM
There would be many of us who would be able to relate to this article . I don't feel it is totally false, I guess this is the author's Memoir (partly true & partly made up ) & not his autobiography.
(made up part is what the author foresees in the future - reason given below )
- If not parents then it might be grandparents who kept waiting/hoping to see their grandson/granddaughter's children but passed away without seeing them.
- Latter part (what sounds like made up part ) is what the author saw in working/service class families in the US who came here 20 - 30 years ago (i hv myself come across such families) & believes his future would be the same - who knows it can be true for anyone ???
During youth a guy is busy in his job, is able to pay all his bills as well as save some money for vacation, which happens during long weekends or once a year , life goes by like this but when he grows older/retires & wishes to go back & settle down he finds things are not what he wants or wanted - children dislike staying/going to india , they study in a college in a different city , visit them once in a while , he & his wife r left alone & find it very lonely here. He knows he has not become a multi-millionaire & looks back & realizes he has always lived a hand-to-mouth life - BUT Is this what he wanted ? was all this worth it ?
He could never reach a conclusion & one day he passes away. Now his wife is left alone even lonelier & she has the same questions.
She visits india every year for 1 or 2 months - she likes it there. But
She cannot settle there - it will make her far from her children , She cannot settle here - because her roots are there.
(made up part is what the author foresees in the future - reason given below )
- If not parents then it might be grandparents who kept waiting/hoping to see their grandson/granddaughter's children but passed away without seeing them.
- Latter part (what sounds like made up part ) is what the author saw in working/service class families in the US who came here 20 - 30 years ago (i hv myself come across such families) & believes his future would be the same - who knows it can be true for anyone ???
During youth a guy is busy in his job, is able to pay all his bills as well as save some money for vacation, which happens during long weekends or once a year , life goes by like this but when he grows older/retires & wishes to go back & settle down he finds things are not what he wants or wanted - children dislike staying/going to india , they study in a college in a different city , visit them once in a while , he & his wife r left alone & find it very lonely here. He knows he has not become a multi-millionaire & looks back & realizes he has always lived a hand-to-mouth life - BUT Is this what he wanted ? was all this worth it ?
He could never reach a conclusion & one day he passes away. Now his wife is left alone even lonelier & she has the same questions.
She visits india every year for 1 or 2 months - she likes it there. But
She cannot settle there - it will make her far from her children , She cannot settle here - because her roots are there.
bugsbunny
04-11 04:01 PM
Can we see a list of all the positive outcomes of the various advocacy events, lobbying etc done by IV for the EB immigrant community please?
And, if any of those good outcomes are being implemented by USCIS to ease the EB backlogs?
I am sure there are other achievements since this was compiled but here is list till 2009
This list is also available in the "about us" section under the "Home" menu button
Immigration Voice Achievements
September 2009. Streamlining of Security Screening Process for Foreign Scientists: DHS reduced the wait times for Visa stamping in foreign consulates to 2 weeks. A successful campaign was run by IV members. http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/654080-iv-update-good-news-for-people-stuck-due-to-security-checks-while-waiting-for-visas.html
September, 2009. Successful completion of FOIA campaign: After filing hundreds of FOIA requests USCIS released the data of pending applications on their website. http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/630599-iv-update-on-visa-numbers-and-foia-data.html
2008: Admin Fix campaign. 2 Year EAD announced by USCIS for all that have filed AOS.
2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.
H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)
H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)
H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)
September 18, 2007
DC Rally: Thousands of high-skilled immigrants march in the US Capital!
Lobby day: IV volunteers attend close to 125 meetings with lawmakers� offices to lobby for congressional intervention
Paid Advertisement in the Roll Call- the newspaper that covers the Capitol Hill
Media coverage: New York Times, Washington Post, Yahoo, BBC, OC Register, Business Week
July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal
IV breaks the good news!
Flower campaign
i. USCIS takes note of the flower campaign
ii. Media coverage: Business Week, Reuters, Washington Post, New York Times, NPR, Others, Video coverage
San Jose Rally
i. Media coverage: Business Week
CIR 2006: Manager's amendment
IV lobbies to ensure that this amendment contains favorable provisions for high-skilled immigrants
The amendment was PASSED, although the bill itself did not survive
Access to lawmakers
IV is in close contact with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren�s office on several issues related to Employment Based Immigration
IV closely worked with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren who played an instrumental role in bringing about reversal of July Visa Bulletin
Contact with USCIS. IV was the first one to bring news of the July 2007 Visa Bulletin reversal
IV Spokesperson invited to conference at top US University
Only organization FOR high-skilled immigrants BY high skilled immigrants
Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years! The following are approximate figures:
i. 1/2006: 60
ii. 2/2006: 600
iii. 7/2006: 4500
iv. 1/2007: 7500
v. 7/2007: 15000
vi. 8/2007: 20000
vii. 11/2007: 25000
viii. 07/2008: 30000
IX. 09/2009: 36,810
And, if any of those good outcomes are being implemented by USCIS to ease the EB backlogs?
I am sure there are other achievements since this was compiled but here is list till 2009
This list is also available in the "about us" section under the "Home" menu button
Immigration Voice Achievements
September 2009. Streamlining of Security Screening Process for Foreign Scientists: DHS reduced the wait times for Visa stamping in foreign consulates to 2 weeks. A successful campaign was run by IV members. http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/654080-iv-update-good-news-for-people-stuck-due-to-security-checks-while-waiting-for-visas.html
September, 2009. Successful completion of FOIA campaign: After filing hundreds of FOIA requests USCIS released the data of pending applications on their website. http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/630599-iv-update-on-visa-numbers-and-foia-data.html
2008: Admin Fix campaign. 2 Year EAD announced by USCIS for all that have filed AOS.
2008. Successful introduction of 3 bills in the House by Rep Zoe. Lofgren. This included elimination of per country limits Bill on which no other organization or business interest had ever advocated until that time. Immigration Voice successfully advocated these bills, brought in co-sponsors and received support from other interests for these bills.
H.R.5882
Title: To recapture employment-based immigrant visas lost to bureaucratic delays and to prevent losses of family- and employment-based immigrant visas in the future.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/23/2008) Cosponsors (31)
H.R.5921
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per country level for employment-based immigrants and to end the spill-over of unused immigrant visa numbers between employment-based and family-sponsored categories.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 4/29/2008) Cosponsors (24)
H.R.6039
Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to authorize certain aliens who have earned a master's or higher degree from a United States institution of higher education in a field of science, technology, engineering, or mathematics to be admitted for permanent residence.
Sponsor: Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] (introduced 5/13/2008) Cosponsors (34)
September 18, 2007
DC Rally: Thousands of high-skilled immigrants march in the US Capital!
Lobby day: IV volunteers attend close to 125 meetings with lawmakers� offices to lobby for congressional intervention
Paid Advertisement in the Roll Call- the newspaper that covers the Capitol Hill
Media coverage: New York Times, Washington Post, Yahoo, BBC, OC Register, Business Week
July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal
IV breaks the good news!
Flower campaign
i. USCIS takes note of the flower campaign
ii. Media coverage: Business Week, Reuters, Washington Post, New York Times, NPR, Others, Video coverage
San Jose Rally
i. Media coverage: Business Week
CIR 2006: Manager's amendment
IV lobbies to ensure that this amendment contains favorable provisions for high-skilled immigrants
The amendment was PASSED, although the bill itself did not survive
Access to lawmakers
IV is in close contact with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren�s office on several issues related to Employment Based Immigration
IV closely worked with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren who played an instrumental role in bringing about reversal of July Visa Bulletin
Contact with USCIS. IV was the first one to bring news of the July 2007 Visa Bulletin reversal
IV Spokesperson invited to conference at top US University
Only organization FOR high-skilled immigrants BY high skilled immigrants
Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years! The following are approximate figures:
i. 1/2006: 60
ii. 2/2006: 600
iii. 7/2006: 4500
iv. 1/2007: 7500
v. 7/2007: 15000
vi. 8/2007: 20000
vii. 11/2007: 25000
viii. 07/2008: 30000
IX. 09/2009: 36,810
paskal
09-21 10:16 AM
guys,
you need to understand why we were in DC. you also need to think about what message we were sending. each person's philosophy about national anthems is not at issue here. this is a pointless discussion. frankly i am tired of people (i am one) that do not live in their countries but lose no opportunity to retreat in jingoistic nationalism. want want want...but no give?
if no one has serious objection, i will close this thread shortly. the above comments are not for any specific person/poster. just a general view.
you need to understand why we were in DC. you also need to think about what message we were sending. each person's philosophy about national anthems is not at issue here. this is a pointless discussion. frankly i am tired of people (i am one) that do not live in their countries but lose no opportunity to retreat in jingoistic nationalism. want want want...but no give?
if no one has serious objection, i will close this thread shortly. the above comments are not for any specific person/poster. just a general view.
